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New York, Bali, Madrid - have the events for which these places are a shorthand transformed politics so radically that our traditional defences of civil liberties now need to overhaul themselves? That's the question at the heart of the 'in conversation' between Conor Gearty, one of the UK's major thinkers on civil liberties, who nevertheless feels that traditional defences don't all survive the new political environment, and Shami Chakrabarti, chair of Liberty, an organisation dedicated to the maintenance and elaboration of civil liberties. Surveillance, the right of privacy, identity cards and global security, these are - inevitably - among the issues that will be raised in this talk.