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Continuing the discussion forum looking at issues surrounding digital production we present two makers looking at 3D environments for the internet. Hans_Extreme, founder e-Toys and Extreme which hit the headlines during the American elections for selling votes over the internet and Karel Dudesek, co-curator of the 3D Web Arts Show, part of the 7th 3D Web Symposium taking place in Tempe, Arizona, USA. 3D Web Art Show will be showing at ICA in March.